Man Avenges Daughter’s Death, Orders International Kidnapping of her Stepfather
Regulators-MountUp: TL;DR: The court in France tried the killer in absentia and convicted him. Killer was living in Germany, and German courts found insufficient evidence and refused to extradite. Father conducted DIY extradition. The two guys who actually kidnapped the killer also got 1 year sentences.
Edit: Important to note that the murder occurred in 1982, pre-EU. Extradition within EU is probably more straightforward these days.
Yubisaki_Milk_Tea: Had the opportunity to read up this case during my legal studies. It was incredibly interesting, and if people want to read up more about it, there’s a pretty good article here:
To clear up some misunderstandings, the case definitely is not as simple as people are assuming. Doctor Krombach (daughter’s killer) had sedated and raped multiple women through his career as a doctor. Many suspect he also used his position to eliminate any medical evidence that could be used against him. For example, the uterus of Bamberski’s daughter was found containing a white substance, and taken to the lab for examination – specifically the hospital where the Krombach worked. In fact, Krombach even partook in Kalinka’s autopsy – where incidentally nothing of note was identified despite fresh puncture marks on Kalinka’s arms. Additionally, her uterus somehow vanished, and on the grounds of insufficient evidence, Krombach was exonerated by the German courts. It wouldn’t take a genius to guess that some foul play must have been involved.
Gemmabeta: The father had a very particular set of skills acquired over a very long career.
SmashBusters: >Deciding to take action of his own, Bamberski hired two henchmen to bring Krombach, 79, from Germany to France for trial in 2009.
The Dark Knight came out in 2008.
“That isn’t exactly what I had in mind when I said I wanted to inspire people.”
Rekdon: Batman doesn’t have jurisdiction
inckorrect: Something to know about french legislation. More often than not, when a court wants to give someone a slap on the wrist, they condemn him but the person doesn’t have to go to jail unless he does another illegal thing during his sentence. I think that’s what they mean by suspended sentence.
Another thing to know is that if your sentence is 1 year or less it’s possible for you to switch it for another kind of sentence. It can be paying a corresponding fine instead or spending your time at home with a bracelet.
john_jdm: Undeniably worth it.
ThatBloodyPinko: *Male captus, bene detentus.*
(Bad capture, good detention in Latin).
godofwar7018: so if there’s insufficient evidence in Germany, how did they get sufficient evidence in France? Did the Dad somehow come up with a bunch of evidence?
bolivar-shagnasty: Serious question:
How is a trial in absentia fair?
The possibility of being found guilty without being present at a trial or mounting a defense is terrifying to me.
ash_274: Great, so someone can do this to Roman Polanski?
exotics: I admire the father’s self restraint.. if somebody had killed my daughter I cannot imagine just tying them up and leaving them near a courthouse.
whitelion69: TAKEN 4: The Wrong Verdict
Allen547: Seeing this story and reading another one about a guy who tried hiring a hitman to kill his wife makes me wonder how easy it is to hire kidnappers and hit men??
subarmoomilk: According to the Wikipedia article:
>In 1983, Bamberski distributed leaflets in Lindau accusing Krombach of the rape and murder of his daughter. Krombach sued for defamation and received a judgement of 500,000 German Marks which Bamberski refused to pay.
>Bamberski hired well-known German lawyer Rolf Bossi to press for a trial against Krombach. The case ended before the Oberlandesgericht Munich in 1987 with a finding that there was insufficient evidence to prove that Krombach’s injection negligently or intentionally caused the girl’s death.
>In 1995, following intense lobbying by Bamberski, Krombach was tried in France in absentia and received a sentence of 15 years in prison for “intentionally afflicting of bodily harm which caused unintentional death”. The verdict was annulled in 2001 by the European Court of Human Rights which censured France because Krombach had not been able to defend himself; Krombach received a compensation of 100,000 francs
>In 1997, Krombach confessed during a trial in Germany to having drugged a 16-year-old patient and having raped her in his medical office. He received a two-year suspended sentence and lost his medical license. Several other victims came forward, but the cases were not pursued for lack of physical evidence. In 2006 he was sentenced to 28 months in prison for practicing medicine without a license.
He received a second trial in France where…
>Testimony of a German woman came to light, who said she had had an affair with Krombach when she was 16 years old; the doctor would drug his wife during their encounters. Several women testified at the trial that Krombach sexually abused them as teenagers, always involving cobalt-iron injections. Krombach was sentenced to 15 years in prison, for causing intentional bodily harm resulting in unintentional death. The prosecutors believed that Krombach had drugged Kalinka in order to rape her. The verdict was confirmed on appeal in December 2012; Krombach’s lawyer immediately vowed to appeal further to the Court of Cassation, but the appeal was rejected on 2 April 2014. Bamberski’s trial for the kidnapping occurred on May 22 and 23, 2014; he was given a one-year suspended jail sentence.
SamanthaBeSlayin: …and that’s why you don’t fuck with Liam Neeson.
Stupid_question_bot: When I was a ne’er do well in my youth I was home invaded by thugs looking for.. stuff.. they heard I had.. I was tied up and beaten bloody, I had tried and failed to fight them off, but in the dust-up my phone was knocked off the hook and redial called my friend who heard the fighting and yelling and he called the cops.. this was back in the late 90s when home invasions were a big thing in Toronto, so there was a police squad dedicated to it.. they just happened to be around the corner and were at my house within 3 minutes.. I remember being on the floor in the basement in a pool of my own blood, with a guy beating on me yelling about drugs and money, then a cop came down the stairs with his gun pulled, yelling at the guy to get down on the ground.. the guy lay flat right next to me, I got out of the duct tape and grabbed a screwdriver that was laying near me on the floor, and stabbed it deep into the guy’s thigh.
The cop looked at the guy screaming with a screwdriver sticking out of his leg, looked at me, all beaten and bloody.. and said one line:
“He fell on that”
This is why I love cops.
Johannes_P: There was a precedent in France about “DIY extraditions”: on 1963, Colonel [Antoine Argoud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Argoud), OAS leader, a far-right organisation opposed to Algerian independence, who fled to West Germany after having commited several attacks for which he was sentenced to death *in absentia*, was kidnapped in Munich and found the day after in Parin, right in front of the prefecture.
The French Court of Cassation found this lawful and confirmed the life sentence he served until a 1968 pardon.
Therapy-Jackass: How did they manage to get him across the border past the border guards? Or did they toss him into a secret shipping vessel? I have so many questions about the logistics of a cross-border kidnapping.
HyperU2: He may have gotten a longer sentence if they hadn’t lost her vagina.
salarite: Reminds me of the case of the [Irish guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciar%C3%A1n_Tobin_extradition_case) who in 2000 killed 2 little children (who were on the pavement) with his speeding car in Hungary. He was sentenced to 3 years in prison; however he fled back to Ireland. And the Irish people weaseled out of extraditing him for **14 years**.
The guy was walking free for most of that time. The only reason he finally started his sentence in 2014 is because his conscience got the best of him and he voluntarily gave up himself in Hungary after one and a half decade.