There’s a lot to criticize when it comes to America. What’s not being considered by these people is where this comes from and what it hopes to achieve.
For all it’s faults I would rather live in America than a country ruled by extremist muslims. That opinion may change when America is ruled by extremist Christians, as it seems to be heading promptly.
This is just embarrassing. No historical knowledge or self awareness even of recent and well documented American history. “I had no idea about any of this!” Get the fuck out.
* Eating up the idea that the Bush administration lied to justify their actions while giving *not a moment’s thought* to the idea that Bin Laden might be doing the same thing.
* Fully diving into anti-Israel rhetoric with absolutely no understanding of the differences between Hamas and the IDF
* Utterly ignoring the bulk of the letter, which is explicitly religiously motivated. Examples:
>The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam
>
>We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest
>
>And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
It is beyond insane that some people think Bin Laden was on the right side of this conflict.
**Never** assume a social media trend is reflective of real life. It’s like assuming the most upvoted comment in a reddit thread is the most popular or accurate take.
Edit: Whelp, irony has come full circle and this is now the top comment. Still, don’t assume it’s true just based on that. Please hold onto critical thinking even if you agree.
This “phenomenon” is about people learning how and why Bin Laden was a terrorist, not anyone worshipping him. America teaches that this guy was just a story-book evil person that wanted to murder americans for no reason besides sadism and “hating freedom” – rather than someone radicalized into violence through americas actions mixed with local bigotries and religion. These are teenagers learning that what they’ve been taught about the terrorism of the 90s/00s was fundamentally wrong and having an ephiphany about how the world isn’t just black and white “america good, middle east bad”. They’re not becoming pro-terrorism or pro-Bin Laden. That’s not how this works.
I suspect this comment section is just half invaded by worldnews poster (and checking the post history of some confirms this), given nobody is actually informed on this and just imagining random teenagers becoming pro-terrorism so they have people to hate on and further the fake “tiktok is making kids pro-hamas” narrative.
Some in here are even pretending kids are adopting anti-semitic stances from bin ladens letters on tiktok, like this is just “litter boxes in schools” type misinformation people are sharing all over this thread.
You’d have to be pretty dense to believe that these social media accounts, on TilTok of all platforms, represent the views of actual people and not professional trolls.
This is just TikTok bullshit, I would remain very skeptical of any claims being made regarding what young Americans think of Bin Laden. His ethical and/or moral standing went out the window when he orchestrated the mass murder of *thousands* of civilians. Young Americans aren’t saying he was justified in what he did.
So what? The unibombers views of where technology and society was going were dead on. That does not justifying mailbombing random innocent people in any way.
The core point of almost any highly effective terrorist is that they do discover and observe a core flaw in society — the problem is when they think random acts of violence will somehow solve it.
Stories, Comic Books, and Legends are filled with people who were 100% right but 100% wrong about what how they chose to act on it.
Killmonger is right about Wakanda turning its back on the suffering of Black peoples.
Magneto is right that humans are mutants worst threat, and will genocide them if given the chance.
Thanos’ intentions are to end poverty and suffering throughout the universe with a quick and painless death.
Hitlers speeches blaming other countries and people for the misfortunes of Germans and Germany resonated with many, and in the case of WWI reparations and the corruption and ineffectual Weimar Republic, had a ring of truth to them.
The charisma required to become a leader means you have to make a good case that you’re somehow the good guy in the scenario.
No one becomes an evil leader of a movement by twirling their mustache and evil laughing all the way to the top.
Lastly, extreme actions require extreme justifications, and, if the person isn’t completely psychotic, those justifications usually have some valid points.
Nothing excuses the evil of the actions, but why they did what they did should always make folks think.
How is this news? Have these children never actually read about American foreign policy? Wait till they find out about how we treated south America.
We knew this during 9/11. Just because we have done some atrocious things in our past doesn’t mean we will let our civilians be murdered. We certainly need to do better in the future, but it doesn’t mean that terrorism is suddenly okay.
Terrorists are bad because they kill innocent civilians. Yes they have some legitimate grievances but if my uncle robbed a store it doesn’t mean I’m going to allow people to beat up my kids.
madaboutmaps says
There’s a lot to criticize when it comes to America. What’s not being considered by these people is where this comes from and what it hopes to achieve.
For all it’s faults I would rather live in America than a country ruled by extremist muslims. That opinion may change when America is ruled by extremist Christians, as it seems to be heading promptly.
death_by_chocolate says
This is just embarrassing. No historical knowledge or self awareness even of recent and well documented American history. “I had no idea about any of this!” Get the fuck out.
These people vote.
Morall_tach says
Today in “young people are fucking idiots”
* Eating up the idea that the Bush administration lied to justify their actions while giving *not a moment’s thought* to the idea that Bin Laden might be doing the same thing.
* Fully diving into anti-Israel rhetoric with absolutely no understanding of the differences between Hamas and the IDF
* Utterly ignoring the bulk of the letter, which is explicitly religiously motivated. Examples:
>The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam
>
>We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest
>
>And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
It is beyond insane that some people think Bin Laden was on the right side of this conflict.
Steas- says
I was listening to some stand up like eight years ago that explained it: https://youtu.be/ggUXa2UVNYc?si=YF-72fO0_Y7K4xmx
NutDraw says
**Never** assume a social media trend is reflective of real life. It’s like assuming the most upvoted comment in a reddit thread is the most popular or accurate take.
Edit: Whelp, irony has come full circle and this is now the top comment. Still, don’t assume it’s true just based on that. Please hold onto critical thinking even if you agree.
Elanapoeia says
This “phenomenon” is about people learning how and why Bin Laden was a terrorist, not anyone worshipping him. America teaches that this guy was just a story-book evil person that wanted to murder americans for no reason besides sadism and “hating freedom” – rather than someone radicalized into violence through americas actions mixed with local bigotries and religion. These are teenagers learning that what they’ve been taught about the terrorism of the 90s/00s was fundamentally wrong and having an ephiphany about how the world isn’t just black and white “america good, middle east bad”. They’re not becoming pro-terrorism or pro-Bin Laden. That’s not how this works.
I suspect this comment section is just half invaded by worldnews poster (and checking the post history of some confirms this), given nobody is actually informed on this and just imagining random teenagers becoming pro-terrorism so they have people to hate on and further the fake “tiktok is making kids pro-hamas” narrative.
Some in here are even pretending kids are adopting anti-semitic stances from bin ladens letters on tiktok, like this is just “litter boxes in schools” type misinformation people are sharing all over this thread.
roleur says
You’d have to be pretty dense to believe that these social media accounts, on TilTok of all platforms, represent the views of actual people and not professional trolls.
SniffUmaMuffins says
This is just TikTok bullshit, I would remain very skeptical of any claims being made regarding what young Americans think of Bin Laden. His ethical and/or moral standing went out the window when he orchestrated the mass murder of *thousands* of civilians. Young Americans aren’t saying he was justified in what he did.
chris8535 says
So what? The unibombers views of where technology and society was going were dead on. That does not justifying mailbombing random innocent people in any way.
The core point of almost any highly effective terrorist is that they do discover and observe a core flaw in society — the problem is when they think random acts of violence will somehow solve it.
Bourbon_Planner says
Stories, Comic Books, and Legends are filled with people who were 100% right but 100% wrong about what how they chose to act on it.
Killmonger is right about Wakanda turning its back on the suffering of Black peoples.
Magneto is right that humans are mutants worst threat, and will genocide them if given the chance.
Thanos’ intentions are to end poverty and suffering throughout the universe with a quick and painless death.
Hitlers speeches blaming other countries and people for the misfortunes of Germans and Germany resonated with many, and in the case of WWI reparations and the corruption and ineffectual Weimar Republic, had a ring of truth to them.
The charisma required to become a leader means you have to make a good case that you’re somehow the good guy in the scenario.
No one becomes an evil leader of a movement by twirling their mustache and evil laughing all the way to the top.
Lastly, extreme actions require extreme justifications, and, if the person isn’t completely psychotic, those justifications usually have some valid points.
Nothing excuses the evil of the actions, but why they did what they did should always make folks think.
SgathTriallair says
How is this news? Have these children never actually read about American foreign policy? Wait till they find out about how we treated south America.
We knew this during 9/11. Just because we have done some atrocious things in our past doesn’t mean we will let our civilians be murdered. We certainly need to do better in the future, but it doesn’t mean that terrorism is suddenly okay.
Terrorists are bad because they kill innocent civilians. Yes they have some legitimate grievances but if my uncle robbed a store it doesn’t mean I’m going to allow people to beat up my kids.
Skabonious says
I actually read the letter in its entirety. It’s about 5 pages too long. It can be summarized as:
75% – Islam is the one true religion that everyone needs to follow
15% – look at how poor we are now. This is the West’s fault.
10% – oh and Zionism is also making us poor
Boring_Inspector9857 says
As a Muslim American FUCK OBL. May you burn in hell MFer.
Aware-Skill1675 says
He married children and no they did not have a choice.
Cyber_Dan says
The average user of social media as the attention span of a fruit fly. Calm down newsweek.